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Published on October 19, 2007 By Mumblefratz In Metaverse

This is where we will keep all the rules used for the Metaverse League (MVL). The point is to have a single place where all rules are defined and so there's a single place where people can refer to resolve all question.

I will continually update this OP to reflect the current state of rules that we have all agreed to. The point is to make this as simple and concise as possible. As we have seen argument and upset occurs when different people have different interpretations of what has been agreed. Keeping these rules as simple and short as possible will help reduce potential conflict.



Rule 1) Rule changes are not allowed in the middle of a round. If an unanticipated situation develops in the middle of a round all effort should be made to deal with it as consistently as possible based on current rules and precedent. In the hopefully rare cases this is not possible the Commissioner will make an arbitrary ruling on how the matter will be resolved for the current round. Once the round is over then the issue can be revisited and a more permanent solution can be decided by the members of the League. Note that this arbitrary ruling can only be made by the Commissioner. Also the Commissioner is the only person that can grant an exception to any rule, but this power should be used judiciously.

Rule 2) Team Size. People may join the League and start playing at pretty much anytime. In the middle of a round a new player should be randomly assigned a new team by either the Commissioner or Vice Commissioner. The only limitation is that at any point in time no team should have more than one more player than any other team.

Also people may have to announce that they can't submit during a round. This can be treated using the scoring rules related to non-submission or if it's early in the round the teams could be re-balanced by the Commissioner. The decision to re-balance or not, and if so who to move, is soley the decision of the Commissioner.

The ideal team size is 5 since it provides some protection against an unforeseen non-submittal without being too unweildly. Team size at the beginning of a round should never be less than 4 or more than 6.

Rule 3) Honor System. Each round of play consists of a game (or games) of randomly selected settings and victory conditions. Very few of the required settings can be verified, namely galaxy size and victory condition. The fact that all other settings cannot be verified requires the league to operate on the honor system.

From time to time various versions of the game may exhibit a bug that temporarily allows some particular exploit. When and if this happens people should make sure the league is aware of the situation but no rule will be made to prohibit the particular exploit other than the same honor system that ensures everyone is playing the same game.

A final point about the honor system is that abuse of the honor system doesn't debase a single game played by a single player but debases every game played by every player. When seen in this light I'm sure that no one would be tempted to risk shaking the foundation of the league just to gain a miniscule benefit by intentionally bending a setting or rule. Also everyone should realize that honest mistakes do happen and if occasionally someone makes a mistake in a required game setting that it's no real big deal.

A corollary to the fact that only galaxy size and victory condition can be verified, along with the practice of taking a game submitted to the metaverse but not submitted to the league as a persons "intended" league submission, results in the rule that people should not have games submitted to the metaverse under their league character that might be confused with a legitimate league game. Note that clearly once a player has made a submission for the current round there can be no such confusion.

Honor System Addendum

The deliberate and determined use by a Player, with full knowledge and intent, of repeatedly and excessively, exploiting bugs, quirks, or other miscellanea in a game to achieve an outcome not normally possible is hereby prohibited in the MVL.

Rule 4) Reported Difficulty Levels and Race Customization in MVL Games

Every MVL player is honor bound to ensure that the effective difficulty of any game they submit is accurately represented by the games posted difficulty. To support this requirement the following guidance is provided.

External modification of any game related files are prohibited in MVL games.

In-game modification of opponent characteristics is prohibited in MVL games. The only choices allowed are the selection of opponents from among the default standard races and default custom race and the selection of their difficulty levels.

All opponent starting relations must be set to "Unknown".

DA games must be set to Allow Surrenders.

Rule 5) MVL Member Behavior

In the case where a MVL member has been found to be cheating, being overly disruptive, or detrimental to the League in some form, the commissioner is free to levy the following punishments as he deems necessary and appropriate. Such punishments may include; the loss of a team Captaincy or other MVL Administrative Position, the loss of the Player's points earned in a particular Round, forcing the Player to sit out a Round, or any other temporary punishment deemed appropriate.

For anything deemed worthy of a permanent ban from the league then besides the recommendation of the commissioner it should also require the consensus of the captains and other MVL administrators to make the ban permanent. Once banned then continued disruption of MVL threads and activities will be appropriately reported to forum authorities.



Scoring

A team's score consists of the sum of "base" scores plus individual and team bonus points.

Base Score

A player's base score is simply 2 points for a win of the designated type, 1 point for a win of the wrong type and 0 points otherwise. A team’s base score is the sum of the four top player base scores submitted. This is done so that a team having more players has no advantage over a team with fewer players.

There are two types of rounds that are treated slightly differently. One is a “Single Victory” type round where all players play for the same victory condition. The other is an “All Victories” type round where each team must submit at least one game of each of the 4 different victory types.

Non-Submission

In the Single Victory round if a player neglects to submit a game then there is no issue as long as the team still has at least four other players that submitted a game. However, if the team only had four players to begin with then they would be missing one potential contribution to the team’s base score. If this non-submission is pre-announced (this is highly encouraged), then either the Commissioner or Vice Commissioner may randomly select another member of the team to submit another game to count towards the teams base score.

In the case where no notice is given, if the player has a single game that fits the rounds criteria as to date, galaxy size and victory condition posted to the Metaverse but not yet submitted to the league then that game will be presumed to be submitted "automatically" to the league during the last minute of the round. If there are more than one qualifying game posted to the metaverse under the players MVL character than the game with the highest score/year ratio will be the game submitted to the league. If two or more games have identical score/year ratios then the submitted game shall be randomly selected from these games by the commissioner or vice commissioner whichever is not a memeber of the team in question. Note that players should make sure that any games that "appear" to match the current rounds criteria posted to the MV do indeed satisfy all the current rounds criteria. This can always be accomplished by simply waiting until your official has been made before posting a game to the MV that might otherwise be confused with the current MVL game.

In the case where no notice is given, and if other members of the team have other games that satisfy the round’s criteria that have already been submitted to the metaverse then either the Commissioner or Vice Commissioner may randomly select one of these games to count towards the teams base score. In this case the team should identify *all* such games that satisfy the round’s criteria for possible selection not simply the *best* such game.

If the non-submission is not pre-announced and the team has no “extra” qualifying games then the team gets credit only for the number of base scores properly submitted.

Note that a team of 5 players with two players that failed to submit a game would be in a similar situation as described above and the same rules apply. The same is true with 6 players and 3 non-submissions, etc. It is also possible for a team to be more than one submission short of the required total of 4 in which case the same rules can be applied to possibly allow the team to make up for more than one non-submission.

Finally these same rules apply in the case of an All Victories round but with an extra qualification. This extra requirement is that in an All Victories round each team is required to submit at least one game of each victory type. In this case the team may be required to use an “extra” game as described by the rules above that duplicates the victory type of an already submitted game. In this case for base scoring purposes that game would have to be considered a 1 point victory of the wrong type. Note that such a game could still receive individual and team bonus points based on the correct victory category.

Individual Bonus Points

In the case of a Single Victory round a single bonus point is granted for the 4 top scoring games and the 4 fastest games.

In the case of an All Victory round a single bonus point is given to the top score and the fastest game in each of the 4 different victory conditions.

The fastest games are determined by the number of years reported by the metaverse. Game speed ties are broken by score and score ties are broken by speed. Any games tied in both speed and score will be left unbroken and both players will receive the identical bonus.

Team Bonus Points

All team bonus points are based on the average of the team’s submitted games. Just as in the individual bonus point case only wins of the correct type are counted. The 1st place team receives 2 points and the 2nd place team receives 1 point in the following categories.

Team Score

Team Speed (speed of game reported by metaverse)

Team Submission (number of days into the round before game is submitted to the league)

Any teams tied in any team bonus category receive the same bonus. However, any fractional result is not subject to rounding and any tie must be exact.



MVL Voting Rules

1. Any MVL member can call for a vote among any number of competing proposals which must be seconded by two other MVL members to be considered official.

2. All votes will occur in the Galciv II Metaverse Leagues forum at the Core and notice must also be given in the current MVL Round thread.

3. All votes should run for a period of time specified in the OP of the voting thread. This period should be no shorter than 1 week or longer than 3 weeks. It's encouraged but not required that votes should be completed before the start of the next round of play if at all possible.

4. A valid vote requires participation by at least 50% of active MVL members. An abstention counts as participation. A proposal requires 60% or more of the cast ballots to be accepted. If less than 60% is achieved by any one proposal there will be a runoff between the two most popular options. The winner of the runoff will be the proposal that achieves a simple majority of votes cast with no quorum requirement.

5. Editing of your vote is allowed although any changes should be made in such a way as to make it obvious that a change has occured.

6. Once the time specified for the vote expires the thread will be locked to maintain an accurate record of the vote. The results of any vote are final and can only be changed by a subsequent official MVL vote.

Rules accepted by Consensus

From time to time minor issues may crop up that may not warrent the full attention of the League. In such cases a limited number of members may discuss the issue and come to some agreement. As long as no member of the league voices any objection to such an agreement and as long as such an agreement has been posted in a prominent thread (the current round thread or the MVL Rule thread) for a period of one week then that rule will be considered to be "official" by the league.

Besides any MVL member voicing an objection to the proposed rule, thereby invalidating the proposal, any member could also move to have a vote taken on the proposal which, as specified in our voting rules, requires a vote be taken as long as the motion is seconded by two other MVL members.



Last update Mar 28, 2008. Added Race Configuration Rule and Honor System Addendum

 


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on Mar 14, 2008
As I said I'm fine with whatever DA players can agree on. There are probably many ways to legislate this. I'm at a loss for any suggestion because I'm not familar with DA and wouldn't even know how to word such a rule.

One thing I do suggest is that we leave my proposal as a rule in place. I don't think anyone objects to it per se it's more a matter that some folks don't feel that it's sufficient all by itself. I still have not heard any objection so I'd just as soon go forward on that basis.

Finally one way to legislate against this very simply and in a way that could actually be verified is to prohibit DA games and force everyone to play DL. Obviously this is a very objectional solution to many. I propose it to make a point and the point is please make sure whatever you do propose is something that everyone can at least tolerate.

With this post I don't think there's much more I can add to the conversation since as I mentioned I'm ignorant of the details of DA in-game configuration. So I suggest that Wyndstar should take the lead in this continued discussion and come up with either a proposal that can receive consensus or two or more proposals that encompass all opinion which can then be decided by a vote.

I'll keep an eye on the conversation and put in suggestions that I think may be helpful but it is up to you to come to some kind of conclusion to this that is amicable to all.
on Mar 14, 2008
Well, then, I'd guess I'd ask for input from the rest of the DA MVL players. Seems I've colored the debate a little because I make no secret about my opinion. Still, I've taken an oath to uphold the constitution, and I'm all about free speech. I'm interested in hearing from dissenters now as well.

I am fine with adopting Mumble's rule, and in general you should try to keep the quality of your opponents at the right difficulty. No stripping SAs, changing worlds, setting traps, stripping tech, lowering aggression, etc. etc. etc.


But for DA competitors, I think we need to adopt one of the two following rules for what we can play with for the player civ:

1. ARC is fine - play with what you want as a player
2. ARC is banned, play with the stock races or custom races, altering only what Stardock lets you alter for each race in game.


And by all means debate as you make your vote. I'm hoping that even with a non-secret ballot and adversarial administrator (me) we can still come to some form of group consensus.

What about some of the people that have been using ARC? Neilo? CraigHB? Others? What are your feelings on this?

I've said before I can play under either system, but my vote is for #2.


Looking forward to a little more feedback,
~ Wyndstar
on Mar 14, 2008
And if Silverbeacher should really be in charge of this, by all means step in at any time. I'm just one player with a strong opinion...

~ Wyndstar
on Mar 14, 2008
And if Silverbeacher should really be in charge of this, by all means step in at any time. I'm just one player with a strong opinion...~ Wyndstar


He's away at the moment, although he is still playing the daily trivia game at the Core...stop it SB, you keep beating me by just a little bit!

After looking at everyone's opinions and comments in this thread and the Round 7 thread, I've become convinced that there should be a restriction, or even an outright prohibition on modifying your opponents. Of the two choices listed above, I would definitely choose #2 (ARC is banned), but also if there were a third choice, "play only with stock race opponents", that might change my decision and I'm not sure what I would choose between them.

Kzinti empire2.JPG Sentient species taste better...

on Mar 14, 2008
OK, I'll put in my thoughts. Previous to this round, I was unaware of external race customizations. My initial shocked response was typed in caps, YOU CAN DO THAT? Even up until now, I didn't learn it all. YOU CAN CHANGE YOUR INITIAL ALLIGNMENT? Didn't know that. Personally, I didn't think it was that big of deal, though. As I commented before, ARC can be a bigger advantage at the higher levels than weak opponents, because even weak opponents still have huge bonuses.

In my game this round, I used ARC for the first time, trying one of Wyndstars nightmare combo's, Krynn superbreeders. SA was the only thing I changed. I didn't know/care enough about different starting planets to change that. I played at Obscene, and used a different strategy than other players did, judging by scores and times. Do I think it was below the challenge of an Obscene game? No. I will win and put up a decent game, but only the strategies I learned from others like Wyndstar, knowledge of the AIs weaknesses(like launching their best ships and leaving junk in orbit), and some luck allowed my success.

Did it make it easier for me? Now that I think more on it, probably. Simply because of an additional boost to economy, however slight, is still a boost I would not have otherwise received. It is minor, IMHO, but it is there. A better player, one more skilled at manipulating and micromanaging, would be able to make far more of it than I did.

Wyndstar, I can definitely see your point. But remember, you are one of the most skilled players of GalCivII, and small advantages for you can make huge differences in a game. The majority of players will only be able to make minor differences from small advantages. I hope you understand what I am saying.

This round still has plenty of time, I need some more time to think. But thought I'd throw in my two cents, despite the fact that it looks like I'm waffling.  
on Mar 14, 2008
With the straw dogs and ARC we might as well call this NascarMVL. Do whatever you can to get the advantage and it is not illegal till you get caught. I like playing games the way they were intended. Once you start hacking code and modifying files I feel that is just as bad as using cheat codes to help you beat the game.

So, I will put a vote in for no ARC and no Straw dogs. Let this be a game that shows how well you can think through a problem/challenge, not a game of how well you can get under the hood and modify your stockcar.
on Mar 14, 2008
I have stated that I use ARCs, but haven't actually submitted a game to MVL that was played with one. This past round I tried the game with two different ARC setups and ended up submitting a DL game due to it turning out the best.

Wyndstar I agree, is one of the best players around and has a penchant for finding unorthodox ways to use the game and it's mechanics to his advantage. I also think if anyone can really take advantage of ARCs it would be him. I'm not as advanced a player and even using Arcs have had to fight tooth and nail to win some games at my usual difficulties(maso/obsc.). Those personal experiences are what I based my earlier opinions on.

I don't want to see the league become divided over an issue like this and would just as well be happy not use them if it means keeping the league from having these problems.
on Mar 14, 2008
Don't give this ARC more credit than it deserves. You cannot change things like ability bonuses and starting techs without tripping the cheat flag. The *only* thing you can change that has an effect on the game is homeworld, starting alignment, and super ability.

Combining ARC with the in-game ability to customize opponents, you can use it to further immasculate straw dog races. When used solely on your own race, it offers some advantage, but I don't believe it has a significant impact on the difficulty level. This is already covered by the proposed rule.

If it's a matter of black and white, I can play with out it, but it does offer an extra avenue for setup of my own player and I enjoy it. I never thought to use it against my opponents. I have, and always will, play against unmodified stock races.
on Mar 14, 2008
I have used ARC for a while now and the last two rounds of the MVL. I don't think it has given me a huge advantage over other players who have not used it. Just look at my round 6 and 7 speed and score and compare that to others.

That being said, i'm no Wyndstar, and it is obvious that any small benefit i can derive from a ARC is multiplied greatly with your own skill level.

I feel that even though i like ARC's that we should ban the use of them in the MVl, period. It has become and issue that threatens to alienate players. To me no issue is greater than one player and we should not let any issue led us to where we lose players over it.

If banning ARC's keeps the MVL fair and alive, then lets do it, straw dogs too.

So i support 2 but stress we are also banning "straw dogs".

For the record, i still like ARC's as they offer up different ways to play the game. I have recently created one with the Korath w/hive and industrialist party.

It has,

+30% Econ
+50% Mil production
+10% Research

They are evil and use Oxor as their homestar.

I am going to use this race along with a Yor w/breeder and Krynn w/spore race to play against.

I still cannot play at suicidal that well in anything larger than a tiny galaxy, but using ARC's allow me to create stronger races with out giving the AI the bonuses they start with at the uber high levels.

So i believe that ARC's have their place in the MV and will be disappointed should they be banned from use in the MV. Especially when there is plain cheating going on by another player.

And yes i will use an ARC in that above game, a Drengin w/spore race played on Maso.



The MVL is far to important to allow an issue such as this to tear it apart, let's ban the use of both these methods to ensure a level playing field. Mumble's rule is still pertinent to many other bugs/exploits that crop up from time to time and still governs this rule as we can only use the honor system to ban these changes.



on Mar 14, 2008
I agree with several of the others. I personally enjoy the concept of ARC, and though I've yet to use it was looking forward to doing so. That is heavily outweighed by not wanting anyone to leave the league because of what has become a divisive issue. I vote that we ban ARC and straw dogs.

Proposed rule wording: It is illegal to edit xml files in any way that affects gameplay in MVL games. It is also illegal to use any option accessed by the "create new opponent" button or the "edit race" button in the opponent selection screen.

on Mar 14, 2008
I'm with Mumble on this issue. I to am playing DL and dont have this issue. I think it is a clear advantage, but I will not change anything, takes away from the game.
on Mar 15, 2008
Like Mumble, I think there isnt a great solution to this issue. Either way it turns out, some portion of the MVL players are going to feel wronged. But I do think the best solution is to ban editing the races, especially when taking into account the differences between DL & DA. I wont feel especially happy with any of the proposed solutions, and I feel bad for those who are strong proponents of ARC, but I'll go with what I think is the least of the evils.

So i believe that ARC's have their place in the MV and will be disappointed should they be banned from use in the MV. Especially when there is plain cheating going on by another player.


I'm unclear about this comment. Are you aware of some actual cheating going on, or was this a general observation that if people want to cheat, they will do so? If you are aware of something specific, it should be brought to light in my opinion.

Kzinti empire2.JPG Sentient species taste better...
on Mar 15, 2008
I feel strongly about this issue. To me, if you modify a game file you are no longer playing DA you are playing some other game. I don't know what an xml file is and don't think I or any other player should be expected to learn to be a junior hacker and risk screwing up his DA download to keep up with the other players. If anyone wants to play on their own with mods or ARC's that is up to them, but I think those have no place in a competition with a common set of rules and an honor system.

I vote for Wyndstar's choice No. 2.
on Mar 15, 2008
Especially when there is plain cheating going on by another player.


Curious about this as well. I hope you're incorrect, Neilo...

By way of further clarification, though it is probably not necesarry, when I joked about ARC standing for "absolutely ridiculous cheat", I was using "cheat" in the sense of a cheat-code/exploit, rather than a person who cheats (who I would call a "cheater" rather than a "cheat" -- dunno about elsewhere, but describing a person as a "cheat" usually implies infidelity rather than uber-haXor skills

Anyway, I do not consider using ARC to be cheating. It's just using a loophole that Stardock -- intentionally or not -- left open.

However, that ARC exists at all bothers me -- and not just for MVL games -- so, again, I intend to wait for Stardock to address the issue before playing any more metaverse games, which of course includes any MVL games.
on Mar 15, 2008
I'm unclear about this comment. Are you aware of some actual cheating going on, or was this a general observation that if people want to cheat, they will do so? If you are aware of something specific, it should be brought to light in my opinion.


Curious about this as well. I hope you're incorrect, Neilo...


What i am speaking about is not MVL related, the person in question does not play in the MVL. I am speaking of spactimer and his 2million point game. I would be disappointed in SD if they flag ARC's yet do nothing to quash what is obvious cheating.

I cannot prove that he cheats, but as many of us have discussed and concluded, there is no way the scores in his profile are legit. Check them yourself.

My comment was about ARC's in general not so much as it pertains to the MVL. I enjoy using ARC's and if they are flagged and spacetimer is not i see it as an injustice.
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